How not to work overtime?

Asked by kartik

The question is simply formulated: “How not to work overtime?”, But here, as they say, two in one.

The first side of the question. What to do if you, as an employee, got into the team, where it is customary to recycle? For example, in Sberbank, an IT employee who leaves earlier than half past seven may be left without a serious premium and fall into disfavor with his superiors. How to deal with such processing? With that, it is simply impossible for a person to quit (any circumstances).

The second side of the question. If you are a middle manager, what should you do to prevent your IT staff from working overtime? The problem again is that in many companies it is customary to pay for overtime work, and there are situations when actively working managers want to have your admin handy.

Answers

zsilinszky anett
There are things that the authorities really appreciate in their employees - self-improvement.
Write yourself:
Monday, Wednesday and Friday - foreign language lessons with a tutor at 18:30 Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday - classes in the gym at 19:00, but you still need to go home, drink a cocktail.

Bring your schedule to the attention of the authorities - they will like it, and the first week at 6:01 pm get up from the table with the words - “Oh, yes! Today,% day_of_the_week%, you need not be late in% destination%. "

And then you have to decide whether to attend these classes or go to rest.
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An excellent answer to at least one part of the question. - emily restifo
It is unlikely that in a team where processing is the rule it will work. There is absolutely no appreciation for self-improvement and quality. There is appreciation for loyalty, readiness to always poddaknut and crush the amount. Well, you show your schedule, well, the boss will nod. And next weekend or in the evening he will call you and tell a fairy tale how he appreciates you, what a wonderful purposeful person you are and how you need the company at this particular moment. And then again, and again ... - amanda ryan
fjon klein
In working hours to engage in their projects.
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Yes, most of them work without overtime. - afua
tamera alexander
The constant need to work overtime is primarily the fault of the manager. But the fact that it is becoming the norm - here the team is to blame. How to fight if you already have it? Doing your job better than others. Here the problem is usually different. When it is normal to delay after a working day, a lot of so-called appears. imitators who artificially create overtime for themselves, and sometimes they just linger so much to earn points. In such a team, it is very hard for a normal person to work and show himself.
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oddly enough, but doing the work better than others in a situation where recycling has become the norm, you will not achieve anything. - ncprimus
The question is controversial, I think the whole thing is how to position the result of their work and make the leadership appreciate this work. It is difficult, and even more so in such a team. But I saw real examples. I just don’t see any other really working options.
Well, if you are looking for a simple and effective way out, then, as they have already said, leave. - michelle juergen
Maybe it’s not a manager’s fault, but a strategic decision: for example, to get 80 man-hours by paying for 64, that is, to keep only 8 employees (working 10 hours), where, in an amicable way, you need 10 (working 8 hours ) - 20% savings on the fund ZP - jim sternieri
patricia caulfield
As for me, people should work a maximum of 5-6 hours.
But everyone is guilty: both managers and managers (in the American sense of the word) and the workers themselves.
First of all it concerns the employee:
 - talk to superiors (refuse overtime or get a bonus),
 - think about another job,
 - talk to the rest of the employees,
 - try to optimize or automate your work,
 - try to find something good in overtime work (ala to accept, only better, because not to suffer)
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As for me, people should work a maximum of 5-6 hours. The most interesting thing is that people can’t work for more than 5-6 hours a day for a long time (for example, more than a month), especially if the work is related with mental activity. However, the idiotic tradition of an 8-hour working day leads to the fact that people at the workplace begin to do anything (stick in chat rooms, forums and social networks, check email, read news, discuss news with colleagues), but not the work itself. . As a result, the absolute majority of employees, including those who stay overtime, actually work on the strength of 3-4 hours per day. - huong do
symon hill
This is not a simple question, only one thing comes to my mind. Purely as an offer, you can try to play on the fact that the more you work, the less you rest, therefore you begin to do work not qualitatively?
zack kahn
I understand that you are most likely waiting for another answer, but IMHO the best thing you can do here is change jobs. Just do not forget to know in advance how things are in this new place, so as not to change the awl to soap. There is no silver bullet - either you are left without a premium and get sidelong glances, or you join the general policy. In a foreign monastery, it is impossible to rule a charter for oneself, simply because he is completely satisfied with the rest. In addition, it is worth remembering that some areas of activity involve extracurricular work. Say, it is naive to try to get a job at an advertising agency (in Moscow time, at least), and to think that you will not be required to process it. This has already become a business style, and this is laid out initially.
hollysnyder16
overtime work is either a work planning error or a lack of resources (which, in fact, is also a planning error but already resources :)
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Absolutely correct observation +) but again, only a statement of fact,
that we have very little good management - renee ann giggie
ellie crow
Staying at work, but go about your business.
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you will not believe, but it is - the majority of those who stay at work, go about their business, or even don’t do anything at all and just kill time because they don’t go to “to” or vice versa the wife with a snotty child will cut ... < br />
and what to do, get up and leave, not paying attention to reproachful views eventually get used to! - laura graves
kerry dickens
An excellent question. Employee time should be planned. Overtime should remain only if "abraham", or "he himself nakosyachil."
And if constantly - it is not his fault. IMHO.
But, unfortunately, this practice is common: (
donnia
not work
irra
There is a good link about labor productivity, there it is written about it, I recommend reading it - the argument will appear :)
vanessa maldonado
and 7 extra days to leave. In fact, it takes 30 minutes to recycle per day and very rarely for another hour. Think well if you need a job where overtime work is not stimulated.
keileigh
I liked the offer to start working better than others (of course, having ceased to stay at work). He himself was in similar conditions at the previous work, and that was how he managed to reverse them.

I still had to resign afterwards, but everyone praised that I worked well and regretted that I was leaving.
ellie wahba
Read the Arkhangelsk, Deadline and critical chain method.
mitch
There are 8 hours of working time in days at this time and you need to work.
lacey priest
We had such a problem at work. Significant success in her decision, I achieved this:
1. He argued to the chief why, as it is now bad, we agreed that after 4:00 pm there were no new tasks for “us today” (the exception is correcting your own fakaps, that is, you did the work, you rent, and there are mistakes, but to show it today, then be corrected).
2. Began to issue tasks to his subordinates for a day or two or three in advance.
3. No new tasks if the employee has done his work ahead of time. Made quickly and efficiently - well done, have a rest!

Part of the staff began to wake up in time (so that by 10 am already working) and by 5-6 pm (or even earlier) - to take the job.
A part of it appears in 12-13 and sits until late, then how a person likes to work.
cph23
Sam worked in two banks. And in one and in the other irregular working hours - the norm and order.
But if in the first administration they were interested in what you were doing and money was paid for processing, then in the second bank “freebie” flourished.
As a result, in the first bank I could stay and work (when something really emergency did happen), in the second - “go all on”. In addition, I already applied Coyod's advice - three days a week I go to trainings, there is a legal excuse.
Colleagues look askance? These are their problems. Anecdote know?
“Bank, everyone buzzes like bees. Suddenly one man came at 9 in the morning and left at 18:00. Everything is in shock - well, you see something serious happened to a person. The next day the same picture - worked from 9 to 18 and left. Colleagues boil. The third did not survive, slowed down and want to beat the face. And the man says: What are you? I'm on vacation! ”
In general, when applying for a job, it is worthwhile to find out about reworkings, how frequent they are, whether they pay money, etc. Not yet taken - the very thing to have on HR and talk to people.
If recycling is the norm, they are not paid for, and even the people staying in the evenings stupidly drink tea and play solitaire - why do you need to work there? Decide for yourself this question and then do not whine.
I personally work to live. Doing interesting things, being close to your family, traveling, improving yourself - these are my priorities. Sincerely I don’t understand the standard cinema stamp - this is when the main character is 24 hours at work, he doesn’t remember his home’s name and he’s hit on his head. Why does he live to work to work? So, by definition, it has no end.
dysonlu
You can take work "at home".
veleniki
First, come a little earlier (15-20 minutes) to appear in the office first. It gives more confidence to leave on time.
Secondly, a couple of times a week, say “I have business” and leave on time (sometimes, after all, there really is business;).
And thirdly, with all of your views, show that you leave because you do your work so much better than others that you only have to work 8 hours :)
franc woods
Our office has made it even easier - we have included in our job duties the work in case of production need ". Lost, however, to define the very concept of this need :-))
But if the urine struck the urine to work on the day off to work, there arises a “need for such a production force” that at least do not go to bed. To the offender - standard measures like deprivation of bonuses, reprimands, some kind of “Sisyphean” assignment or minor tricks.
If you write an office a month before the exit on a non-working day, which must be approved by at least three chiefs, then they can give time off.
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Any unclear obligation in an outlaw JI. Truth and prove it is possible only in court, when everyone already do not care. - caroline boll
alina brewer
well, as a rule, only one option - quit
because, regular refineries are associated either with improper planning by an employee of his work, or with lack of resources.
more often option 2.
And it is almost impossible to win.
alka adhikari
I would advise you to look for a company where they ask for the result and not for the time worked. Well, with a flexible schedule, it would not be clear how much you are sitting in the office))
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